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    • IngolfI Offline
      Ingolf
      last edited by Ingolf

      I also prefer the context sensitive menu, where I added them, but these four at the best I have personally seen. I was never in doubt. They illustrate exactly what they do:

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      More generic icons like +- up/down require a bit of tooltip reading. And it could represent volume, saturation, brightness or position.

      The arrow into a circle on the other hand is not illustrative enough.

      BTW you probably figured out I don't like clutter - I removed the other two from the toolbar a long time ago.

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      • IngolfI Offline
        Ingolf
        last edited by

        I do have some trouble remembering these ones - I always have to read the tooltip:
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        These from Affinity are not much better - but they do not differ as much in style and make some sense:
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        And these always made sense to me:
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        • S Offline
          Subpath
          last edited by Subpath

          i agree that these Vs Icons are easier to understand now

          thought that maybe a thin frame around it would increases their perceptibility

          one is used to the old icons from other programs

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          • BoldlineB Offline
            Boldline @Subpath
            last edited by

            I don't mind these icons has a whole. but I think the first one, "Draw on top" should have the two underneath shapes be outlines and not fills so its clear that the filled top object is on top of all and fits in line with the same symbol concept as the others.

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            • IngolfI Offline
              Ingolf
              last edited by

              Frames around buttons are gone in modern software. They will probably be back some day like round corners vs sharp corners.

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              • IngolfI Offline
                Ingolf @tudor
                last edited by Ingolf

                @tudor said in Usability bullseye:

                @Ingolf said in Usability bullseye:

                Finally a program with icons for this that I understand instantly:

                My sentiments exactly 👍

                Try guessing which one is which in PowerPoint:

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                I memorized those icons decades ago but the orange background is a total turn-off also mixing the icons makes my eyes scan them all four every time, I never identify the button I need in the first attempt. I also still haven't forgiven Microsoft for kickstarting the ultra-flat and minimal design trend.

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                We are one step from an all black and white trend.

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                • IgullI Offline
                  Igull @b77
                  last edited by

                  @b77 said in Usability bullseye:

                  And I cannot say rotating it 90° would make sense visually (left-right instead of up-down).

                  LOL, I was joking 🙂 But you could split it to fit on two separate rows 🙂

                  OK on the context panel, it would be really nice to be able to finally edit that as a preference.

                  Neil

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                  • IgullI Offline
                    Igull @Ingolf
                    last edited by

                    @Ingolf said in Usability bullseye:

                    We are one step from an all black and white trend.

                    Hurray, flat is good 🙂 🙂 🙂

                    That means I can use up all that black vinyl I bought 🙂

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                    • IngolfI Offline
                      Ingolf @Igull
                      last edited by

                      @Igull said in Usability bullseye:

                      @Ingolf said in Usability bullseye:

                      We are one step from an all black and white trend.

                      Hurray, flat is good 🙂 🙂 🙂

                      That means I can use up all that black vinyl I bought 🙂

                      It is indeed the best of times for you. 😕

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                        Subpath @Igull
                        last edited by Subpath

                        @Igull

                        thought something similar, that the flat design is a blessing
                        for the people who cut logos from foils

                        on the other hand I wonder how someone comes up with this idea.
                        (i know is design)
                        Where everything in the world is 3-dimensional and we are actually
                        adapted to this circumstance
                        ( yes on screen is pseudo 3-D, but...)

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                          Igull @Subpath
                          last edited by

                          @Subpath said in Usability bullseye:

                          Where everything in the world is 3-dimensional and we are actually
                          adapted to this circumstance
                          ( yes on screen is pseudo 3-D, but...)

                          You're not a member of the flat earth society then - you need to shape up, the world is truly flat it seems, don't believe all this 3D nonsense, it's just an artefact 🙂 🙂

                          It's certainly flat from a VS perspective at least LOL 🙂

                          @Ingolf

                          It is indeed the best of times for you. 😕

                          Ha ha, it is if you just bought a pile of black vinyl on the ultra-cheap 🙂

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                            Ingolf @Subpath
                            last edited by Ingolf

                            on the other hand I wonder how someone comes up with this idea.
                            (i know is design)
                            Where everything in the world is 3-dimensional and we are actually
                            adapted to this circumstance
                            ( yes on screen is pseudo 3-D, but...)

                            @Subpath When flocks of people move in the same direction, even larger flocks instinctively follows. Even towards the abyss.

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                              Igull @Ingolf
                              last edited by

                              @Ingolf said in Usability bullseye:

                              Even towards the abyss.

                              But there can't be an abyss, it's only two-dimensional surely 🙂

                              I'm perfectly happy with the flatness thing anyway, it just makes my life a whole lot simpler, I don't need to jump into Fusion 360 so often either 🙂

                              Neil

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                                Ingolf @Igull
                                last edited by

                                @Igull said in Usability bullseye:

                                @Ingolf said in Usability bullseye:

                                Even towards the abyss.

                                But there can't be an abyss, it's only two-dimensional surely 🙂

                                I'm perfectly happy with the flatness thing anyway, it just makes my life a whole lot simpler, I don't need to jump into Fusion 360 so often either 🙂

                                Neil

                                Even more simple

                                🙂

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                                  Subpath @Igull
                                  last edited by Subpath

                                  @Igull said in Usability bullseye:

                                  You're not a member of the flat earth society then - you need to shape up

                                  i thinks its too late 🙂
                                  dont know how to transform 🙂
                                  cant see the button because everything looks flat

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                                  • F Offline
                                    fde101 Global Moderator
                                    last edited by

                                    That's ok... in a few years 5D graphics will probably be the "in" thing.

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                                    • IngolfI Offline
                                      Ingolf @fde101
                                      last edited by

                                      I believe that several meters of sea rise will teach the masses again to think three-dimensionally.

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