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      Subpath @monsterfox
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      @monsterfox

      your welcome,
      already working on it 🙂

      Win 11
      CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
      GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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        Subpath
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        .
        Part two:
        How to create a desired selection order for coloring
        with random placed shapes
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        In the first Part we saw that coloring shapes via Colorize
        open a way for a kind of pattern selection. But what
        could we do if Shapes are randomly placed.
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        As far as I know, the order of the colors applied with "Colorize"
        corresponds to the order in which objects are created. So, how
        can you color shapes in the desired order if they are randomly
        distributed?
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        The surprising solution: Use the Shape Builder tool.
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        In my experiments, I found that the Shape Builder is able to redetermining
        the selection order of shapes and coloring with Colorize will follow that
        new order.

        0_1744370380166_shapeBuilder-Tool.png
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        Here an Example

        I used Blend to create a gradient from some shapes and arranged them
        in a random order.

        0_1744370178922_random placed.png
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        Then I took the Shape Builder Tool, selected any color and selected all
        objects with the tool in one direction

        0_1744370250016_ShapeBuilder selection.png
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        Finally I select the shapes and color them using the "Colorize" Feature.
        You can see all shapes are colored in the order of the palette.

        0_1744370295813_Gradient follow shapes.png
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        Here a video, which shows the steps
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        So with the help of the Shape Builder Tool you can control which direction
        the coloring with Colorize should follow and create any pattern selection
        by following the steps descriped in Part one.
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        One Final Note:
        I wrote, that sometimes the coloring with Colorize doesn't
        follow the selection accordingly.

        This seems be solved now, i found the solution.
        The reason for this has to do with using the Magic Wand
        Tool to select the shapes to be colored with Colorize.

        As you using the Magic Wand tool, you may think that you
        can select/pick any shape with the according color, but this
        doesnt work in our case.

        Select the first shape you selected with the Shape Builder
        also with the Magic Wand tool. This way, the color scheme
        starts in the correct place. Then everything will work as
        expected.

        Here a Video about this

        Win 11
        CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
        GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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          monsterfox @Subpath
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          @Subpath Finally got you. This method is quite special. I’ll try it out later. Thanks for the update.

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            Subpath @monsterfox
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            @monsterfox

            Yes, it's a bit special.

            Although I find that color selection with a corresponding
            color palette offers a lot of possibilities. You just need to
            create a suitable color palette and color the shapes
            accordingly. To obtain a specific selection pattern.

            Using the shape builder tool for a custom color sequence
            is the easiest method I've found. If anyone knows or has
            discovered another way, I'm happy to hear.

            Win 11
            CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
            GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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              monsterfox @Subpath
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              @Subpath tested this feature today, and it only works on individual objects. It becomes very chaotic when applied to grouped objects.
              @VectorStyler It would be great if grouped objects could be treated as independent ones.1_1744469843843_mmexport1744469824087.png 0_1744469843835_mmexport1744469820884.png

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                Subpath @monsterfox
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                @monsterfox

                Well, my method may not be helpful in all cases

                Maybe you could post a sample file, here in this Thread?
                Then I can take a look at it.

                If so, please also include an example of what
                the end result should look like.
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                You work, of course with more complex objects than I do.

                If you want to define an object order with the Shape Builder tool,
                the objects shouldn't overlap. But the Shape Builder itself also
                works when objects are grouped.

                Win 11
                CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                  VectorStyler @monsterfox
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                  @monsterfox said in Kind of pattern selection using the Colorize feature:

                  It would be great if grouped objects could be treated as independent ones.

                  I will try to find a solution for this.

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                    monsterfox @Subpath
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                    @Subpath 0_1744513960294_2.vstyler Here is the file you requested.

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                      Subpath @monsterfox
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                      @monsterfox

                      What do you want to achieve?
                      Just coloring that parts?
                      Then could you show me a picture of what it should look like?

                      Or create some kind of selection pattern?

                      Win 11
                      CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                      GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                        monsterfox @Subpath
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                        @Subpath The file contains 4 to 5 groups, with both paths and fills in black. I want them to appear as separate, independent shapes and automatically change into 4 to 5 different colors.

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                          Subpath @monsterfox
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                          @monsterfox
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                          I've been experimenting a bit with the designs in your file.
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                          Separate filled shapes and outlines

                          Filled objects can be separated from outline objects.
                          By selecting filled Shapes via.
                          Menu > Select > Styling > Filled
                          and move them to another Place
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                          Coloring Shapes

                          Coloring your Designs via Colorize makes no sense to me.
                          The Designs differ to much, have different number of objects
                          and/or the object order is different.

                          I developed a way, but I don't know if it will work for you.
                          It uses the "Selected Intersecting Shapes" feature to select shapes.
                          You could color them then.

                          The Video here show the Steps needed

                          Once the shapes are colored, you can select them
                          with via the Magic Wand Mode for selecting shapes.
                          Or via the way i showed in the Video.

                          Important!
                          The color for the circle is for selection purposes only.
                          So this color should not appear in the Design.

                          Win 11
                          CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                          GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                            monsterfox @Subpath
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                            @Subpath Thank you for sharing. Although this approach doesn't quite fit my workflow, I've picked up some useful tips. My workflow is a bit complex and would take some time to explain—perhaps I'll make a video about it when I get the chance.

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                              Subpath @monsterfox
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                              @monsterfox

                              Your welcome.
                              A video sounds interesting; I'd also like to learn something new. 🙂
                              But no need to rush it; do it whenever it suits you.

                              Win 11
                              CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                              GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                                VectorStyler @monsterfox
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                                @monsterfox said in Kind of pattern selection using the Colorize feature:

                                It would be great if grouped objects could be treated as independent ones.

                                I need some examples for this where the selection is chaotic.

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                                  Subpath @VectorStyler
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                                  @VectorStyler

                                  In my opinion, it might look chaotic, but may not be really chaotic.

                                  In all my attempts, using Colorize, the fill colors followed the selection
                                  order of the shapes. I didn't get any different results in my experiments.

                                  Only the trick with the ShapeBuilder to define a new selection order didn't
                                  always work. I'll try to record a case if I see it again.

                                  If you look at the Monsterfox sample file, the designs have different selection
                                  orders. You can see this if you take a design and track the selection order
                                  with "Previous" or "Next Selection." This could be the reason why the result
                                  may look like chaotic / does not look as expected.
                                  The Designs have also a different Object count.

                                  Win 11
                                  CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                                  GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                                    monsterfox @VectorStyler
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                                    @VectorStyler 0_1744971300530_4.vstyler

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                                      Subpath
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                                      @VectorStyler

                                      I created a video here in which Colorize doesn't
                                      follow the selection order.

                                      Here's the video:

                                      While experimenting with this again, I noticed an curious behavior:

                                      I previously selected the shapes with the Magic Wand tool.

                                      But when I select the same shapes again with the
                                      Rectangular Selection tool, the coloring works as expected.

                                      You can see this in this video.

                                      Win 11
                                      CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                                      GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                                        Subpath
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                                        @VectorStyler

                                        I think i got it

                                        When using the Magic Wand tool to select
                                        the shapes you want to Colorize

                                        you have to pick/select the first shape you selected
                                        with the Shape Builder tool.

                                        Then everything will work as intended.

                                        here the Video

                                        I am fine with this, as it seems logical to me.

                                        Win 11
                                        CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                                        GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                                          Subpath
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                                          @monsterfox , @VectorStyler
                                          .
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                                          You can't simply create a color palette and color
                                          your shapes with it.

                                          There is a little more to do then this

                                          Either
                                          You need to determine the object order and adjust the
                                          colors in your palette to that order.

                                          Or create the objects of your Design according to a specific system/order
                                          so that the order in which the objects are created are always the same.

                                          In addition, the number of shapes in the design must match
                                          the number of colors in the color palette.

                                          The Shape Builder trick can only be used to a limited extent here,
                                          and only with objects that don't overlap.

                                          Here is a video where I created a color palette according to
                                          the selection order of your design.

                                          Here the video

                                          Win 11
                                          CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                                          GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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