Little indicator Sign "°" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed

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@Ingolf said in Little indicator Sign "+" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed:

I guess that's what it also means in Xara.

In xara it is just a Indicator if a shape is closed
with the Pen sketch tool. As the Video shows.
There is also a little "~" sign when you cut something with the
Sketch tool in xara.

But as Xara cuttin is different from VS
this "~" is not needed

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@Ingolf said in Little indicator Sign "+" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed:

should be communicated in a status bar or elsewhere, not in the pointer.

sorry did not find this practical.
As i Paint i look on the Tool i paint with
and not on the Status bar. I need a few eyes
more to do that.

Ingolf

Ah, I have most programs, Xara including (just to try it, never using it, mistake) and they are partly on the wrong track.

in Xara means " draw on from this node" but also "close shape" which is misleading. A circle here or some other symbol should show "hereby you close your shape".

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I don't buy bad usability. Neither from Xara, despite their 500 attempts to extend the subscription of their oldware.

b77

@Subpath OK, but in Xara the '+' sign is displayed on the cursor, right?

If a sign would be displayed where the shape gets closed (over that closing node) it would make more sense.

And since VS already displays a circle when you close a shape with the Pen tool, the same circle could be displayed over the node when a shape gets closed with the Path Sketch tool.

This is what Ingolf is saying, if I'm not mistaken.

Ingolf

@Subpath said in [Little indicator Sign "+" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed]

As i Paint i look on the Tool i paint with and not on the Status bar. I need a few eyes more to do that.

True, but bad design is over-communicating, and since a shape can easily be open on purpose, that's secondary information.

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@VectorStyler said in Little indicator Sign "+" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed:

@Subpath Would this also be needed in the Pencil tool?

Had actually only thought of the Path Sketch tool. Because there often times a shape
was not closed.

If it would also be helpful with the Pencil Tool why not.

Basically I just missed some kind of indicator that would show you that a Shape is closed,
so that you don't have to try it out first.

Ingolf

@Subpath said in Little indicator Sign "+" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed:

@VectorStyler said in [Little indicator Sign "+" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed]
If it would also be helpful with the Pencil Tool why not.

Because the tool symbols signal an action, not a state of something else.

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@b77

It doesn't matter that much to me which icon is ultimately
used as an indicator.
The "+" symbol was just an example of an indicator.

And the small circle on the Pencil Tool would make more sense to me if it appears
at the moment a shape is closed or shortly before.

b77

@Subpath OK, got the part about '+' being used just as an example.

But with the Path Sketch tool I see no use in adding a sign to its cursor when it gets close to intersecting or self-intersecting.

I do like to see an indicator over the closing node itself and after it's been closed.

And it's the same with the Pencil tool, I would say.

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@VectorStyler

For your Eyes also
It doesnt matter to me which Symbol for this Indicator
would be used. That "+" Sign was just an Example.

And two questions

1
Should the small circle at the pencil symbol represent a snap radius.
If this were so you could we adjust this snap radius
(larger/smaller) ?

2
A thought of mine was that this circle should maybe only appear
when a shape is about to be closed.
( corelated with the snap radius)

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@b77 said in Little indicator Sign "+" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed:

adding a sign to its cursor when it gets close to intersecting or self-intersecting

Do not really understand what do you mean with that.
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The Reason for my Request was, when that i draw with Path Sketch Tool
and would like to get a closed Shape, i often missed the Point where the Shape is closed.
Is often a kind of trial and error.

So i though of an Indicator as a help.
And as i saw the little Circle on the Pencil Tool
i though a kind of a snap radius (adjustable)
could also be nice

b77

@Subpath said in Little indicator Sign "+" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed:

The Reason for my Request was, when that i draw with Path Sketch Tool
and would like to get a closed Shape, i often missed the Point where the Shape is closed.
Is often a kind of trial and error.

So i though of an Indicator as a help.
And as i saw the little Circle on the Pencil Tool
i though a kind of a snap radius (adjustable)
could also be nice

So when the path you draw gets real close to the other endpoint, the app should auto-nudge the last node over the other and close the shape?

Ingolf

This is how it works in the pen tool in Vecstorstyler. Is it not what you need? With a possible option whether or not it should snap and at what distance?

(The yellow circle indicates my clicks, that is from the GIF software)

Pen GIF

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@Ingolf

Is, in my eyes, not comparable with the Pen Tool.
Because when you draw with the Path Sketch or the Pencil tool
you often draw a little faster. So you need a somewhat bigger snap radius.
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@b77
I don't know what speaks against an (adjustable) snap radius.
Made a Pic where the Circle is the double Size of the Circle
used by now, but could also be a little smaller.
So i think an adjust option would be nice.

0_1661354365724_Snap Circle size.png

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@b77 said in Little indicator Sign "+" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed:

So when the path you draw gets real close to the other endpoint, the app should auto-nudge the last node over the other and close the shape?

in principle, yes
this is the extended version of my original idea.

Originally I just wanted an indicator that a Shape is closed.

Ingolf

@Subpath said in Little indicator Sign "+" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed:

@Ingolf

Is, in my eyes, not comparable with the Pen Tool.
Because when you draw with the Path Sketch or the Pencil tool
you often draw a little faster. So you need a somewhat bigger snap radius.
.
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@b77
I don't know what speaks against an (adjustable) snap radius.
Made a Pic where the Circle is the double Size of the Circle
used by now, but could also be a little smaller.
So i think an adjust option would be nice.

I requested it in the pen tool so I understand now and agree. A "Snap when closing" (with better tooltip) and a snap radius setting in a context sensitive toolbar would make perfect sense to me. Even shorter label would be fine.

b77

@Subpath Nothing against a 'close' indicator and snap radius either.
It's just that your first screen capture from Xara showed the indicator on the cursor, not on the shape where it should be IMO.

b77

@Subpath Btw, the Path Sketch tool allows you to redraw the last stroke if you press Option/Alt.

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@b77 said in Little indicator Sign "+" for Path Sketch Tool to know that a Shape is closed:

@Subpath Btw, the Path Sketch tool allows you to redraw the last stroke if you press Option/Alt.

interesting, could you tell me a little more in detail
how this work ? Could not figure it out by myself.

b77

@Subpath After you draw a stroke and it's not exactly what you want (let's say, it didn't intersect the object you wanted or it didn't self-intersect), hold down Option/Alt and draw it again.